Where to begin

[Zarah]

I saw there were a couple of people who wanted to try dyeing but didn't know where to start. I am no expert and I am sure there are people who are more qualified than I, but I figured since no one was posting a 'how to' I would post my experiences.

First, there are several types of fabric manipulation and I'm currently investigating different ones, but what the most prevalent type of dyeing for the quilter appears to be the Low Water Immersion technique.

There are a number of good books and websites about this process. You obviously do not need all the books but I'm going to list a couple of them here in this first post which talk about this specific Low Water Immersion technique.

Color by Accident by Ann Johnston
Dyeing to Quilt by Joyce Mori and Cyntia Myerberg

There are a number of other books with which I do not have personal experience. I've ordered several surface design books and I'll let you know what I think of them after I've used them. If anyone else has other recommendations, please post them.

A number of websites talk about this dyeing technique. Two I've found useful are:

Paula Burch's site http://www.pburch.net/dyeing/lowwaterimmersion.shtml

Melissa's site
http://fabricdyeing101.blogspot.com/...ic-dyeing.html

These are excellent resources for what I find is a truly rewarding experience.

In the next post I'll talk about what equipment you need to get started.

[Zarah]

Low Water Immersion Dyeing is usually done using Procion MX dyes. There are also Procion H dyes but those are not what we want, since they work differently.

These dyes come in a powdered form that you mix with water for a dye concentrate you then use in various amounts to obtain the color fabric you want.

Procion MX dyes work on plant fibers by bonding to them in a chemical reaction. They actually become part of the fiber which is what makes them so colorfast. They are used on plant fibers (if you want to dye wool you use a different type of dye). They have the advantage of working at lower temperatures (70-110 degrees). Once mixed with water they are classified as non-toxic. This does NOT mean they are edible.

The chemical bond actually begins when the PH of the water reaches the appropriate level. This is done by adding Soda Ash to alter the water's PH level. A more complete explanation can be found here:

http://www.dharmatrading.com/batik/i...chemistry.html

Okay, enough of the chemistry. Dyeing is messy and has some potential hazards, so you will need a variety of equipment to keep yourself safe and avoid making your life more colorful than you intend.

There are a few things that are MUSTS.

You must have a mask to wear while mixing the dye concentrates. The mask needs to be NIOSH/MSHA approved for dust and mist. Inhaling the dye powder is bad. Let me repeat that for emphasis. Inhaling the dye powder is BAD.

You must have a set of saftey goggles or glasses.

You will need measuring spoons and measuring cups. These should only be used for dyeing and never for food. These should be plastic to keep the cost low and to avoid breakage. I don't know for sure but since plastic is always recommended, metal might react with some of the dyes as well.

You need containers to hold the dye concentrates after they are mixed with water. I used old plastic water bottles because they are basically free and I can mix a good amount of the dye in them. I use the 1 liter bottles.

You will need something to do the actual dyeing of the cloth in. I have plastic buckets I use for larger amounts of cloth, but for most of my dyeing I use hefty OneZip Jumbo 2 1/2 gallon bags. The easily hold up to two yards of cloth and I reuse them so the cost is kept down. I started using them to keep the mess more contained.

You will need a container for the soda ash solution. I use a 1 gallon plastic water jug, again because they are cheap.

You will need rubber gloves. Right now I use the disposable surgeons gloves, mostly because I can manipulate better with these than the heavier rubber gloves. If you get the dye on your skin it will stain and you may be colorful for several days if you get a lot on you.

You will need a funnel or two. I just bought a set that had multiple sizes. These should be plastic.

In the next post I'll talk about the rest of the items you will need. Including the dye and other chemicals.

Please post any comments and questions!

[Zarah]

Thanks for posting this how to Teresa, I have thought about dyeing on and off, but was a little intimidated by what seems to be quite a process. Maybe this will get me started... Cheryl

[Zarah]

Thanks, also, Teresa! I am fascinated by the whole process. But I'm not sure that I want to take on yet one more obsession. Not at the present time, anyway!

Maggie in E. Central Illinois

[RobinQuilts]

I love using hand-dyed fabric but I think that if I got into fabric dyeing it would only take away time I have for quilting. Plus I really don't have anyplace I can be messy and I am concerned about using the chemicals.
That said, a recent article in Quilting Arts magazine discussed using RIT dyes with great success. Has anyone used this technique and would this be a good place to start?
Thanks.
Robin

[RobinQuilts]

So should I keep all the posts on this in the same thread or will it get too long? I really think it's important for people to post questions they might have. If I do separate threads for each section people would be able to add questions and comments on that one.

So what do you all think?

This process is definitely messy and time consuming. It surprised me that I ended up loving it so much. When you factor in all those things, it's definitely not for everyone.

RIT dye uses a different process to dye the fabric. From what I understand of the differences, RIT is more like staining the surface of the cloth, this is why it fades with washing, while the Procion MX dyes actually are bonded to the fiber and so do not dramatically fade.

I haven't used the RIT dyes, so I can't say if they are less mess. I'm a big proponent of using whatever methods you find helpful and whatever speaks to you.

[GloriaH]

Boy Theresa, this is exactly the information I was interested in. Right now the biggest question is cost. How much investment is there in the dyes and soda ash etc. It sounds like the other equipment is minimal. The other VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION is what do you do with waste. We have a septic system and I would be dead meat if I messed up the drainfield. If you keep up with the hints and tips, this seems like a good place for them to be. Thanks, Gloria

[GloriaH]

Gloria,

General consensus is that the dye exhaust bath is safe to be disposed of down a normal city drain. However remember that for a septic system there is a certain balance you want to maintain to keep the bacteria alive and the dye bath has the PH changed with the addition of soda ash. You can neutralize that with the addition of vinegar. If you know what PH is safe, you should be able to do PH testing of the exhaust bath and adjust the PH accordingly. Here is some information from Dharma's website

http://www.dharmatrading.com/info/pr...eral_info.html

As to cost, I'll address that in my next big post about the chemicals and such.

[Franceslovesfabric]

Teresa,
I say keep everything on one thread. That way if you want to go back and look at something again you don't have to remember what thread it was on. Dyeing is something that I'm interested in also.
Frances

[Franceslovesfabric]

I bought some cheap measuring cups that were plastic and after one use--don't know if it was the soad ash or what it was--they cracked. I think the more flexible plastics I have used worked better. Just thought I'd let you know.

[sewengel]

Theresa -- please keep us informed with the dying process your information has been great. I am hoping to give it a try in the fall, but your infor and the links are very helpful.

Sharon in Colorado

[sewengel]

You started this thread at a very good time. While we were away for a few days, my husband and I picked up some supplies I was missing. Now I can start playing again!

Jean in Windsor, ON

[sewengel]

In addition to the containers, measuring cups and paper towels you will need there are dyes and chemicals necessary to do the dyeing.

Procion MX dyes are sold by several companies and most companies have their own color names and numbers. So, for instance the manufacturer color Red MX-5B is sold as #12 Light Red by Dharma and #305 Mixing Red by ProChem. Paula Burch has an excellent chart on her site that has the various names and numbers for the different dyes.

http://www.pburch.net/dyeing/FAQ/pureMXcolors.shtml

This chart will also show which dyes are "pure' colors and not mixes of two or more dye colors. For a moment here I'm going to digress and explain why this might be important.

Dyeing is both an art and a science and you may find yourself leaning more towards one aspect of it than the other. If you want to create predictable effects and create repeatable dye recipes you have to be very precise. The amount of dye powder, temperature of the water used, the 'hardness' of the water, and possibly even the phase of the moon will affect the dyeing process. (Okay I'm kidding about the phase of the moon...maybe.) If you want repeatable results you have to be able to repeat.

On the other hand, you can decide to create one of a kind pieces that you create in the moment and you don't care if you can reproduce precision is not necessary.

Obviously you can also be somewhere in the middle and learn a bit about what dyes are likely to produce what colors and hope for the results you expect while still being spontaneous.

If you are leaning more towards wanting to reproduce your results, you will want to work with the 'pure' dye powder colors because results with the mixed colors will be unpredictable. If you are fine with unpredictable results you will be able to use a wider variety of dye powders.

The price for the dye powders vary by color. Dharma's current prices vary between $2.95 to $5.95 for 2 ounces. So how much the dyes cost will depend a lot on which colors you purchase. (I don't work for Dharma, I just buy from them and thought this would give a good price estimate for people interested in dyeing.)

In another post I'll talk about exactly which dyes and how much to purchase to start out.

You will also need soda ash to change the PH and complete the dye process as I've mentioned in a previous post. Dharma currently sells soda ash or $1.69 for 1lb.

After you have completed the dyeing, Syntrapol is used in the wash to help remove excess dye. Synthrapol is currently selling for $4.09 for 16 oz. (Dharma also sells a non-toxic Syntrapol replacement called Professional Textile Detergent. This sells for $3.75.)

There are two other chemicals you will often see listed as necessary, Urea and salt. Depending on what you read, you may or may not choose to use them. Urea is used to basically make water wetter, it allows more dye to be dissolved in a smaller amount of water. Salt is used by some to increase the depth of color and patterning. I don't use either though I have experimented with urea and intend to do some experiments using salt.

In addition to the chemicals you will need cloth to dye. I'll talk next time about cloth.

[sewengel]

The last 'must have' on your list is fabric for dyeing. After all, that's what we are here for, the beautiful, fantastic fabric. Procion MX dyes work on cellulose fibers such as cotton, rayon, linen as well as silk. They are not the dye of choice for wool or other animal fibers.

I'm going to assume that you are intending to dye cotton. What kind of fabric you use will depend a lot on what you get for a final product. In general I use PFD fabric (prepared for dye) that I purchase in bulk. However Melissa has an interesting set of tests on her site that indicate buying special fabric may not produce the best results. I have not experimented according to her methods, so I'm passing this along just FYI.

http://fabricdyeing101.blogspot.com/...4_archive.html

If you don't buy PFD fabric, you may want to scour it.

So just what does that PFD mean and what the heck is scouring and why do you have to do it?

During the final phase of fabric manufacture it's usually treated with some chemicals. This finish may make the dye take unevenly or produce unpredictable results. The process of removing this finish is called scouring. (PFD fabric does not need to be scoured). All that means is washing it in hot water with Synthapol.

You may also read that mercerized cotton dyes deeper and richer colors. Mercerized means the cotton has undergone a process with caustic alkalki that will give it those results.

There is a lot of talk on whether or not you want to buy PFD fabric and whether or not you need to scour it. I'm all for experimentation and finding what works for me and I encourage you to experiment if you like that sort of thing. However if you could not bear to have a dye batch come out ruined because there was some odd chemical reaction, then perhaps you can see the extra effort or cost of having PFD fabric or scouring your own may be worth it.

Remember that you are ultimately going to sew with this fabric, so make sure that what you are using looks and feels like something you want to use. Most of the larger places will send you a sample of their cloth for a minimal price. However, keep in mind that the dye process itself changes the hand on all the fabrics I've ever dyed. So, you won 't be able to tell exactly what you will get from an undyed example.

Fabric is my largest cost. If you really get into dyeing you can easily run through a LOT of yardage quickly. Dharma's PFD cotton ranges in price (if you buy an entire roll it is cheaper).

http://www.dharmatrading.com/fabric/...diumweave.html

Your local quilt shop may carry PFD fabric or fabric suitable for your dyeing experiments so you may want to check their pricing.

Although these posts assume you will be dyeing white fabric that has been prepared for dyeing in some fashion, you may find later you want to experiment with overdyeing. One of the greatest things about doing the dyeing is there is no bad fabric, only opportunities for more play.

[PDQuilt]

I think it would be so interesting to have a show that was all about dyeing fabric.