MARKER that erases with an Iron or hot dryer

[QuilterLynn]

Pilot FriXion Ball Fine Point, Black Erasable Gel Ink Pens, 2-Pack (31553)
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YOU got to check this out.... I am going to order these pens if I do not find them at office max or staples ! !! !



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[QuilterLynn]

The pens are great, but not for BATIKS, or other dyed (?) fabrics. Be sure to test before using on your quilts.
I have been using one to mark my seam lines on my Dear Jane quilt, so far so good.
One of my friends used it on a batik, and when she used her iron to erase the line, it turned white, (as if it bleached it)
it took out the color of the fabric.

Margarita in Auburn, CA

[QuilterLynn]

It initially looks wonderful, but as Margarita suggests, it is always best to try out any new marking pen on a scrap first. I would also be interested to know how these marking affect the fabric in the long run, but I guess we will have to wait half a dozen years or so before we find out.

[Margo]

I have tested that new pen. I was told that freezing will make the marks re-appear, and it does!!! I marked several pieces of cotton fabric. The lines show up great.
I ironed the fabrics, the marks became invisible. I washed the fabrics to get the marks out, then put the fabrics in the freezer for a couple of hours and the marks were all back....very visible!
That means to me that the chemicals are still in the fabrics, and you don't want to use quilts in a cold environment! WHAT???
I won't use these pens on my quilts. There is no telling what the chemicals will do to the fabric several years from now.

However it would be a fun project for children to send secret notes to each other!! :lol:

[Margo]

I have tested that new pen. I was told that freezing will make the marks re-appear, and it does!!! I marked several pieces of cotton fabric. The lines show up great.
I ironed the fabrics, the marks became invisible. I washed the fabrics to get the marks out, then put the fabrics in the freezer for a couple of hours and the marks were all back....very visible!
That means to me that the chemicals are still in the fabrics, and you don't want to use quilts in a cold environment! WHAT???
I won't use these pens on my quilts. There is no telling what the chemicals will do to the fabric several years from now.

However it would be a fun project for children to send secret notes to each other!! :lol:

Thanks for the heads up Margo, it is always good to hear from the practical side of things with new 'toys'. By the way was it just one wash or multiple washes? Any chance that when you are doing a load, you could throw your sample in and see how many washes it takes to remove the ink/chemicals and report back for us? (grovel-grovel )

[Scoopie]

This is very interesting! I'm almost certain this is the pen that Sharon Shamber uses to mark her prize winning quilts! Yup! I just checked my notes from the Houston quilt show. Her beautiful red and white quilt, "Mystique," (I believe it won Best of Show) was totally marked with the Pilot Frixion pen! So, what you are saying is, if it were to wind up in the AQS quilt museum, and the climate control would go on the fritz, and get VERY cold in there, Sharon's quilt would show ALL of her markings! Or, more realistally, all of her quilted sewing lines have now been comprimised and will weaken over time. This is NOT good! And, quite sad!

Dawn
In beautiful Northwest Montana

[ladyquilter]

Several of the local quilt stores here are really advertising this pen. I've been following web comments and concerns about it since it was discovered as a possible quilting tool. Personally, I would not use the pen. From what I've read, Margo could wash her sample thousands of times and the chemicals in the pen would remain and the markings will appear if the temperature gets cool enough.

Now with that said, most of the quilters that I've discussed this with weren't really bothered by this and simply stated that they would just hit the quilt with a bout of steam again to make the marks disappear again. So, I guess the question to ask yourself is which person are you? a) a person that doesn't want their quilts marked with a pen that has chemicals that stay forever or b) a person who isn't bothered by the chemicals and isn't bothered by a possible steaming to remove marks that reappear.

I wonder how the ladies of yesterday would have answered this question. It would be interesting to see some of those quilts marked with such a pen though -- perhaps we would have learned even more about their personalities through secret writings to future admirers. :wink:

[Margo]

I have tested that new pen. I was told that freezing will make the marks re-appear, and it does!!! I marked several pieces of cotton fabric. The lines show up great.
I ironed the fabrics, the marks became invisible. I washed the fabrics to get the marks out, then put the fabrics in the freezer for a couple of hours and the marks were all back....very visible!
That means to me that the chemicals are still in the fabrics, and you don't want to use quilts in a cold environment! WHAT???
I won't use these pens on my quilts. There is no telling what the chemicals will do to the fabric several years from now.

However it would be a fun project for children to send secret notes to each other!! :lol:

Thanks for the heads up Margo, it is always good to hear from the practical side of things with new 'toys'. By the way was it just one wash or multiple washes? Any chance that when you are doing a load, you could throw your sample in and see how many washes it takes to remove the ink/chemicals and report back for us? (grovel-grovel )

Rosemary, I did this test some time last year when the pens first came out and as soon as I realized the chemicals didn't wash out of my sample fabrics, I threw it all away. You are welcome to try your own test and report back to us!!

[Margo]

I have tested that new pen. I was told that freezing will make the marks re-appear, and it does!!! I marked several pieces of cotton fabric. The lines show up great.
I ironed the fabrics, the marks became invisible. I washed the fabrics to get the marks out, then put the fabrics in the freezer for a couple of hours and the marks were all back....very visible!
That means to me that the chemicals are still in the fabrics, and you don't want to use quilts in a cold environment! WHAT???
I won't use these pens on my quilts. There is no telling what the chemicals will do to the fabric several years from now.

However it would be a fun project for children to send secret notes to each other!! :lol:

Thanks for the heads up Margo, it is always good to hear from the practical side of things with new 'toys'. By the way was it just one wash or multiple washes? Any chance that when you are doing a load, you could throw your sample in and see how many washes it takes to remove the ink/chemicals and report back for us? (grovel-grovel )

Rosemary, I did this test some time last year when the pens first came out and as soon as I realized the chemicals didn't wash out of my sample fabrics, I threw it all away. You are welcome to try your own test and report back to us!!

Unfortunately that would mean that I would have to go on a mega hunt to actually find this pen in UK to buy, and then start the washing cycle. I don't grudge the second part, but I do the first, as I very much doubt that I would use it for quilts, which was why I was hoping since you had started the testing regime, you might carry it on, but since you have binned the orginal samples, I guess we will have to await further notice from someone else.

One can but ask :wink:

[Margo]

Seem like there is never a REALLY GREAT AND EASY way to mark quilts. I do not mark my quilts for quilting as I have my long armer doing it. I do mark on the inside of my quilts small hash marks when adding borders. I also think I am going to be cautious with these pens. I always test products on experimental blocks and never on a master piece quilt.

LR

[Sewdreamy]

I still prefer Crayola washable markers for my quilts. You can really see them and I have never had them fail and i believe they leave no chemicals behind once washed, though I have seen some discussion here on the forums of not being able to get it out (I find that a bit of a puzzle since I've had such good success with them--though it might have something to do with prewashing and then prestarching fabric, which I do). I've not been able to bring them back in any of my tests, though I haven't tried to freeze them. Have you Margo?

I also love Fons and Porter's fabric pencils. They rub off or wipe off with a damp cloth, though I only use those for small projects or temporary marks for placement because they rub off rather easily. If you are working on wool, tailor's chalk that irons off is a great thing to use, but it leaves a little streak behind on cotton.

Last quilt I did not mark the quilting, I marked that Golden Threads paper and stuck it on. It was wonderful, even assisted with the quilting, I think, but it is kind of pricey.

My dear late husband was a librarian and book collector and he made me really aware of how destructive chemicals, especially acids, are to both paper and fabric in time. I don't even use the purple air removable and blue water removable markers because they leave a chemical behind. Imagine if we made a wonderful quilt and in 100 years the marks broke down the threads in the fabric. We may not be here to see it, but your descendants might.

[Margo]

No, BJ, I've never thought to try freezing them! Interesting query!

Crayola WASHABLE MARKERS are also my marker of choice, but I know ahead of time that I will avoid any heat (iron or hot car?) while the marks are on the fabric, and as soon as the quilting is finished, I will soak the quilt to remove the marks; spin that water out; wash with mild detergent (I like Orvus Paste) and dry it in a dryer.

My quilts are made to be used, and not just for display, so I make sure that before I gift them, they are laundered. That way there will be no dismay because the quilt suddenly looks a lot different than it did before the receiver washes them!

[Margo]

Another Crayola Washable Marker fan here. I rarely use anything else for marking. If I want to mark by overlaying I trace my design on Glad Press and Seal and have found that works wonderfully, quite inexpensive and easy to remove. If there is any sort of residue it is very minimal and washes away.

[djane]

Those of you who use crayola washable markers--what colours do you use? Is red harder to remove then blue?

[Margo]

I haven't had trouble removing any of the colors. I always buy the "fine" tip markers and mark quickly and lightly so as to use the smallest amount of marker possible.

Again....I always soak the markers out with cold water; spin out that water; wash in fresh warm or hot water with a mild detergent.